I just this minute finished Naomi Novik's Uprooted, which I got from Netgalley for review. (Thank you, Netgalley!) I loved His Majesty's Dragon, but drifted away from Temeraire after a couple of books; my attention wasn't quite held. Here comes her new series, and I was excited.
I've been trying to write this review for a couple of days, actually, even though I hadn't finished the book. But I want my review to be clever and charming and touching and everything wonderful, and I can't find a way to adequately convey how much I loved and adored this book, so I'm going to go with bullets.
So: Things I Loved About Uprooted (In No Particular Order)
1. Let's start with Kasia, because the book does. Everyone in the Valley assumed that the wizard would choose Kasia when he came back, as he does every ten years, to take a girl away to his tower. Kasia is beautiful and accomplished. Nieshka, our narrator, is chosen instead. She's taken away from her village and family and her best friend, and as her new life grows, you expect her one to recede in the narrative.
But no, her best friend Kasia, maybe the person she loves most in the world, doesn't disappear conveniently as Nieshka moves on to bigger things. She is a pull, a motivator, an ally. Nieshka will risk everything for Kasia, and she is asked to.
2. A totally separate thing to love that also has to do with Kasia is the number of characters in this story who could have been the protagonists. If you wrote a book from Kasia's point of view--where her best friend is whisked away, but reappears when our protagonist is in danger and then they have adventures together--this would be a fabulous book. Nieshka is the center of the larger story, and she's telling this one, but hers is NOT the only story. This is one of the many things in this book that I always want to see in books and so rarely do. Marek, the prince, has his own story that he is living, and you could tell the whole thing from inside the capital, too. This isn't one story, it's a score of them woven perfectly together.
3. Something that's bothered me in most fiction I consume for a very long time is how the notion of what is right versus what is expedient is often painted as black and white. There is the Moral High Ground, where people are Good and don't let their side down, never give up, fight to the death (though rarely does it come to that for our main characters!). The people who want to compromise are always slimy politicians, so worried about how they'll look that they never do the Right Thing. The real world is so much grayer than that.
This is handled so beautifully here. When Prince Marek insists they push forward in the fight against the malevolent magic of the Wood, he may be right or he may be wrong, but he doesn't seem irrationally shortsighted. When Nieshka sees the war with their neighbors as wasteful and unnecessary--which it is! and pointless!--it is clearly pointed out that this may well be, but the enemy cannot be relied upon to think the same thing. While war shouldn't exist, you can't will it into not being by simply pretending it isn't there. You need another plan.
4. I call this one the Perfect Knowledge Problem, which also comes up a lot in books I read. The Right Thing To Do is not always easy, but in most stories it's easy, at least, to discern. You know what the Heroic Act is, if you can just bring yourself to do it, or survive it. This is a book full of imperfect knowledge, where it's often impossible to tell which act is the heroic one and which is foolhardy. And often enough, the characters choose wrong.
5. And they're always a dozen steps behind! This should be frustrating, but it's not--it's so realistic, so brutally perfect. Every single character here is doing the best they can with the information and motivations they have. Every one of them is trying hard to do what they perceive to be good. Without exception. And everything is, of course, still a mess, because perceptions of good differ, and people have imperfect knowledge, and things don't always come out the way you planned. Life is messy.
Luckily Nieshka is good at messy. When the Wood becomes more dangerous, she finds the magic (oh, the magic! The world of magic here!) to fight it. When politics are needed, she tries to learn them. Mostly, she just pushes on, past her limitations, holding on to her friends.
I loved this book. Loved. It was a delight. I worried, at one point, when the scene changed, that we were going to get into a Slimy Politicians and Political Machinations story, but, while those factors are not entirely absent, it never becomes a turn-off. This book contains good against evil, and man against man, but those are not the same battles. I can't tell you how satisfying it was to read a book where everyone was doing their best, where even the people who are chasing our heroine with an army are truly trying, with all their resources, to do their own version of the Right Thing.
Okay, here's where I say it wasn't flawless. Much as I loved Kasia, she was kind of a cypher, more a role than a character. (I think this was done for a reason, because there was a bit of mystery about her, and I'm hoping there will be a sequel from her point of view.) I wish that Nieshka had connected a little better to a lot of the secondary characters, because while they were believable and served the story well, I wanted a bit more of a sense of them outside of their roles. The magic system was fascinating, but mostly described in metaphors, which made complete sense, but again, I wish it had been a bit more concrete in some of the details. If you need me to pick nits, I can.
But I loved it. Loved loved loved. I want to read it again for the first time. I want to read another one. I'm going to go back for more Temeraire just because I can't not at this point. This book was wonderful.
Wednesday, April 29, 2015
Sunday, April 26, 2015
Short Stories
Bah, anthologies. I devoured them by the bucket in high school; short stories are a great way to consume a ton of fantasy very quickly, without the level of investment required for a novel. I own SO many volumes of Sword and Sorceress! (And why didn't Dorothy J. Heydt's character Cynthia ever get a novel of her own? A crime, I declare it!)
But I was not as discriminating then, and I've had so little patience for anthologies lately, because I can't bear to skip around and not "officially" finish them, but I also can't bear to read my way through the parts that are either outright blah or just not for me.
So those are my prejudices going in, and the reason that I didn't absolutely love Kaleidoscope, an anthology of diverse YA science fiction and fantasy stories edited by Alisa Krasnostein and Julia Rios. I've never read an anthology--even an all-star one!--that was not uneven.
Some of the stories were great! Some were kind of thin. Actually, "thin" is probably my biggest complaint--I don't know if it's that the stories were particularly short, or because some of the authors didn't have a good instinct for YA, but some of them felt phoned in, either being all setup/worldbuilding with no incident, or just being kind of generic.
And generic is what it shouldn't have been, because the great thing here is the broad representation you have in this volume. The point of this book is to see characters you don't see nearly often enough--a superhero with one hand, a girl in wheelchair fighting to break a curse, tons of non-white, non-straight characters having the usual fantasy adventures.
I think that the stories that did this best were my favorites--Faith Mudge's "Signature," about a girl who finds out that she and the owner of the bookstore where she works have both entered into deals that might be too much for them, was one of my favorites. Priya Gowda is in a wheelchair, and her story is informed by her traditional family and the limitations the world sets on her, but there's far more to it than that. "Chupacabra's Song," by Jim C. Hines is a really touching story about a girl on the autism spectrum who has a way with animals that may be more magical than her vet father realizes. "Kiss and Kiss and Kiss and Tell", by E.C. Myers, is about a girl whose schizophrenia and meds interact with the new popular party drug in unexpected and upsetting ways.
These are stories that do the best task of storytelling--take a character, with all the details and subtleties that make them human--and put them into a situation that requires them to face it. Each one is shaped by who the character is and what they are trying to do, and they're all especially exciting and moving, because they do such a wonderful job of expanding around these things.
But then there's Garth Nix's "Happy Go Lucky," in which a high school girl from an elite stratum of society suddenly finds out that life isn't fair when she's stripped of her privileges. Reading it reminded me very powerfully of the Twitter feed @dystopianYA, because there is nothing here to make it stand out. Sure, Jean's parents are both dads, and she's dark-skinned, but this is not meaningful to the story in any way. Really, there's nothing here that doesn't look exactly like Matched, or Divergent, or any of a hundred other utopia-is-really-dystopia books on the shelf. Someone tapped Garth Nix for a story and he ripped one out in a couple of hours.
There were plenty of other stories that were not much more than the sum of their blurb: "Cookie Cutter Superhero": when you get a chance to go into the Superhero Machine and turned amazing, do you want them to make your body "normal?"; "Krishna Blue": what if a gifted artist developed the dangerous skill of consuming colors from the world around her?; "Double Time": if you could go back in time five minutes, would things really be better? (The last one, at least, was a nice little story about a figure skater with an overbearing mother. Maybe it was a little simplistic, but it was actually pretty charming.)
Okay, so not bad. But these were light, quick reads--I might say that they were very YA, but that sounds pejorative. Really, they're focused around being a teenager, which is great, but many of the stories spend more time spelling out their fantastical concept, rather than speaking to me.
But of course, this is always going to be the anthology problem. If I was thrilled 1/3 of the time, entertained 1/3 of the time, and deadly bored 1/3 of the time, is that a good read? In a novel I'd have a firm opinion on that, but in an anthology, who knows? I'm certainly in the minority in walking away disappointed, and let's admit that I haven't read an anthology in years, at this point. And I love very much that this book made room for characters who don't show up nearly often enough. I just wish that these characters would show up all over the place, so I could have more of the ones I loved.
But I was not as discriminating then, and I've had so little patience for anthologies lately, because I can't bear to skip around and not "officially" finish them, but I also can't bear to read my way through the parts that are either outright blah or just not for me.
So those are my prejudices going in, and the reason that I didn't absolutely love Kaleidoscope, an anthology of diverse YA science fiction and fantasy stories edited by Alisa Krasnostein and Julia Rios. I've never read an anthology--even an all-star one!--that was not uneven.
Some of the stories were great! Some were kind of thin. Actually, "thin" is probably my biggest complaint--I don't know if it's that the stories were particularly short, or because some of the authors didn't have a good instinct for YA, but some of them felt phoned in, either being all setup/worldbuilding with no incident, or just being kind of generic.
And generic is what it shouldn't have been, because the great thing here is the broad representation you have in this volume. The point of this book is to see characters you don't see nearly often enough--a superhero with one hand, a girl in wheelchair fighting to break a curse, tons of non-white, non-straight characters having the usual fantasy adventures.
I think that the stories that did this best were my favorites--Faith Mudge's "Signature," about a girl who finds out that she and the owner of the bookstore where she works have both entered into deals that might be too much for them, was one of my favorites. Priya Gowda is in a wheelchair, and her story is informed by her traditional family and the limitations the world sets on her, but there's far more to it than that. "Chupacabra's Song," by Jim C. Hines is a really touching story about a girl on the autism spectrum who has a way with animals that may be more magical than her vet father realizes. "Kiss and Kiss and Kiss and Tell", by E.C. Myers, is about a girl whose schizophrenia and meds interact with the new popular party drug in unexpected and upsetting ways.
These are stories that do the best task of storytelling--take a character, with all the details and subtleties that make them human--and put them into a situation that requires them to face it. Each one is shaped by who the character is and what they are trying to do, and they're all especially exciting and moving, because they do such a wonderful job of expanding around these things.
But then there's Garth Nix's "Happy Go Lucky," in which a high school girl from an elite stratum of society suddenly finds out that life isn't fair when she's stripped of her privileges. Reading it reminded me very powerfully of the Twitter feed @dystopianYA, because there is nothing here to make it stand out. Sure, Jean's parents are both dads, and she's dark-skinned, but this is not meaningful to the story in any way. Really, there's nothing here that doesn't look exactly like Matched, or Divergent, or any of a hundred other utopia-is-really-dystopia books on the shelf. Someone tapped Garth Nix for a story and he ripped one out in a couple of hours.
There were plenty of other stories that were not much more than the sum of their blurb: "Cookie Cutter Superhero": when you get a chance to go into the Superhero Machine and turned amazing, do you want them to make your body "normal?"; "Krishna Blue": what if a gifted artist developed the dangerous skill of consuming colors from the world around her?; "Double Time": if you could go back in time five minutes, would things really be better? (The last one, at least, was a nice little story about a figure skater with an overbearing mother. Maybe it was a little simplistic, but it was actually pretty charming.)
Okay, so not bad. But these were light, quick reads--I might say that they were very YA, but that sounds pejorative. Really, they're focused around being a teenager, which is great, but many of the stories spend more time spelling out their fantastical concept, rather than speaking to me.
But of course, this is always going to be the anthology problem. If I was thrilled 1/3 of the time, entertained 1/3 of the time, and deadly bored 1/3 of the time, is that a good read? In a novel I'd have a firm opinion on that, but in an anthology, who knows? I'm certainly in the minority in walking away disappointed, and let's admit that I haven't read an anthology in years, at this point. And I love very much that this book made room for characters who don't show up nearly often enough. I just wish that these characters would show up all over the place, so I could have more of the ones I loved.
Thursday, April 23, 2015
Harrison Harrison
Harrison Squared! Daryl Gregory's novel about the monster-fighting teenager has hit the shelves, starring Harrison Harrison, one of the main characters in the super-creepy novella We Are All Completely Fine. My friend Brenda, an enormous Gregory fan, agreed to write a joint review with me. My parts in green, hers in brown.
Quick summary: we both like the book, though maybe not as much as we'd expected. It's very much a YA book, with an almost whimsical charm--not what the novella might lead you to expect.
BRENDA: I feel like Harrison Squared was made for me. I love Daryl Gregory and H.P. Lovecraft. In fact, I memorized “The Cats of Ulthar” for a speech in high school. That said, this doesn’t rise to the same level as my favorite Daryl Gregory books (Pandemonium, Unpossible and Other Stories, Afterparty, and We Are All Completely Fine). It’s entertaining and a fast read, but it doesn’t have the same sort of depth as his other books.
Quick summary: we both like the book, though maybe not as much as we'd expected. It's very much a YA book, with an almost whimsical charm--not what the novella might lead you to expect.
BRENDA: I feel like Harrison Squared was made for me. I love Daryl Gregory and H.P. Lovecraft. In fact, I memorized “The Cats of Ulthar” for a speech in high school. That said, this doesn’t rise to the same level as my favorite Daryl Gregory books (Pandemonium, Unpossible and Other Stories, Afterparty, and We Are All Completely Fine). It’s entertaining and a fast read, but it doesn’t have the same sort of depth as his other books.
The tone caused me one other problem, which was that the details of this creepy, Lovecraftian little town were so over the top that it made it hard for me to really submerge myself in the world. Harrison arrives at this school where there's a class on tying nets and swimming in an underground lake under the school and that history book! The math homework! And he finds them as outrageous as I would, but there's no notice of this. I mean, would these students be able to pass the MCAS? How has no one else ever noticed the weird cultishness? The details were wonderfully amusing, but I couldn't figure out how seriously I was supposed to take them.
This book feels like Harry
Potter sometimes, when he’s exploring his bizarre school. It is
entertaining (I laughed out loud at his History textbook, The Subjugation and Domination of Various Peoples and Lands: A Guide to
Effective Government), but not particularly satisfying. It’s like the book
started out as an ongoing inside joke:
- Practical Skills – just tying nets
- Cryptobiology – trying to reanimate a dead frog with electricity
- English – textbook Catastrophes of New England: 1650 to 1875
- Non-Euclidean Geometry
I loved the contemplation of the nature of memory
in the
prologue – “’facts’ I’ve layered on over time, like newspaper on a paper
mache
piñata.” This is one of the reasons I love short story collections that
are
obviously a person trying to create meaning by looking at the same thing
in
many different ways, getting to a point where the least true-to-life
story is
also the most “true.” I feel like a lot of Daryl Gregory’s work is like
this. In particular, he returns often to the story of a relatively
normal person dealing with the eccentricities of
genius, including in this book. He even rewrote one of his novels as a
short story (and vice versa) to
continue to look at it slightly differently. I’m actually a little
disappointed that Harrison’s supposedly fabricated memories are true.
I love the phantom limb sensation. I know that later it will
be discovered that it is somehow metaphysical
and is warning him of the presence of something supernatural. Also, I
love that the main character has a physical disability (“maimed and limbless”
according to Coach Shug) that is at the same time integral to the plot and
treated very matter of factly. I love characters like that (think MilesVorkosigan).
Neither the mother nor Aunt Sel are believable characters,
and they don’t add much to the book. They’re too exaggerated. Which is one of
the reasons why I dislike when we switch to the mom’s point of view briefly
(outside of my general dislike of POV shifting).
I love love love Lub. He’s so free and cheerful and odd. And
the juxtaposition between him and the way his people are depicted in Lovecraft should be jarring,
but just seems original and creative.
I feel like I'm complaining too much; the other side of this simplicity is that the pleasing parts are so simply pleasing. I agree that the mother was kind of a flat character, but I found Aunt Selina to be delightful. She should never have been in charge of a young person, but that of course fits right in with a teenager trying to save his missing mother. She's proud and impulsive and kind of brittle and I had a lot of fun with her. I loved Lub, too, and the all the other teenagers you get to know (including the very weird and creepy Isobel and what's going on there I'd like to know! There's a whole other book there.)
How did you feel about the end? Ambiguous much? This seems like it's setup for a series, but I'm not sure if the part that's still hanging will support it.
I feel like I'm complaining too much; the other side of this simplicity is that the pleasing parts are so simply pleasing. I agree that the mother was kind of a flat character, but I found Aunt Selina to be delightful. She should never have been in charge of a young person, but that of course fits right in with a teenager trying to save his missing mother. She's proud and impulsive and kind of brittle and I had a lot of fun with her. I loved Lub, too, and the all the other teenagers you get to know (including the very weird and creepy Isobel and what's going on there I'd like to know! There's a whole other book there.)
How did you feel about the end? Ambiguous much? This seems like it's setup for a series, but I'm not sure if the part that's still hanging will support it.
I didn't see it as setting up a series so much as the hand coming
up out of the grave at the end of a horror movie, showing that
everything is not actually okay. I mean, how could you have an HP
Lovecraft based book with a happy ending?
Other random thoughts:
- Fingercant is cool. I want to learn it.
- I knew immediately the Albatross was a boat. I hate it when characters don't figure out something obvious.
- The Scrimshander is legitimately scary.
- I want to read Thomas Glück’s book. It makes me think of Bloody Jack.
Thank you so much for reviewing this with me, Brenda!
*Review copy received from Netgalley.
Tuesday, April 21, 2015
Reportage
Instead of a review, an update, because I'm not wrapping anything up anytime soon.
Let's see, I finished Lock In, and also the tie-in novella, Unlocked: An Oral History of Hayden's Syndrome. I basically stand by everything I said in my post from the middle of the book--it's a fascinating, well-written take on illness and identity, and the world building is amazing. The mystery is good, too, though I definitely got lost in the middle, as I almost always do in a mystery, losing track of who we're talking about and which of them said what in an earlier scene. But it's fine--a good mystery will carry you over those bumps, as this one does.
Unlocked came as part of the audiobook I listened to, and it was good, but I don't think it added very much to the novel. The viewpoints, the stories, and the process it described were all pretty much covered in the novel, and wound neatly in with characters and a puzzle, which made it more engaging. It didn't really add anything, but I think it made a fine appendix to the main book.
I had started reading Otherbound, by Corinne Duyvis, and I was enjoying it a lot. It takes a broad concept--every time this boy closes his eyes, even for a blink, he sees/hears/experiences someone else's life, a girl in another world entirely--and then addresses the very detailed nitty gritty around it. It also shares major plot points with two other books I read recently; like the title character in Harrison Squared (review forthcoming), Nolan is missing a leg, and as in Lock In, the question of having control of your own mind and body is a significant issue here.
I did set it aside for a while, though, because I got my hands on Naomi Novik's new book, Uprooted, which I'm halfway through and completely in love with. Whether or not you are a big fan of Temeraire (I loved the first one and kind of drifted away during the third), the first half of this book is a delight. I'll let you know how the rest goes when I get there.
I read volume one of Jeff Lemire's Sweet Tooth, because the internet keeps telling me to (especially the Book Smugglers), and the first volume was good, though kind of disturbing. I'll have a review when I've read more. I've got a bit of a comics backlog right now, actually, with some ARCs and some library grabs and new volumes of Angel & Faith to get to.
Really, this is just a post of promises for real reviews that will be coming soon. And they WILL be coming, honest. I just need to get a little more reading in sometime soon.
Let's see, I finished Lock In, and also the tie-in novella, Unlocked: An Oral History of Hayden's Syndrome. I basically stand by everything I said in my post from the middle of the book--it's a fascinating, well-written take on illness and identity, and the world building is amazing. The mystery is good, too, though I definitely got lost in the middle, as I almost always do in a mystery, losing track of who we're talking about and which of them said what in an earlier scene. But it's fine--a good mystery will carry you over those bumps, as this one does.
Unlocked came as part of the audiobook I listened to, and it was good, but I don't think it added very much to the novel. The viewpoints, the stories, and the process it described were all pretty much covered in the novel, and wound neatly in with characters and a puzzle, which made it more engaging. It didn't really add anything, but I think it made a fine appendix to the main book.
I had started reading Otherbound, by Corinne Duyvis, and I was enjoying it a lot. It takes a broad concept--every time this boy closes his eyes, even for a blink, he sees/hears/experiences someone else's life, a girl in another world entirely--and then addresses the very detailed nitty gritty around it. It also shares major plot points with two other books I read recently; like the title character in Harrison Squared (review forthcoming), Nolan is missing a leg, and as in Lock In, the question of having control of your own mind and body is a significant issue here.
I did set it aside for a while, though, because I got my hands on Naomi Novik's new book, Uprooted, which I'm halfway through and completely in love with. Whether or not you are a big fan of Temeraire (I loved the first one and kind of drifted away during the third), the first half of this book is a delight. I'll let you know how the rest goes when I get there.
I read volume one of Jeff Lemire's Sweet Tooth, because the internet keeps telling me to (especially the Book Smugglers), and the first volume was good, though kind of disturbing. I'll have a review when I've read more. I've got a bit of a comics backlog right now, actually, with some ARCs and some library grabs and new volumes of Angel & Faith to get to.
Really, this is just a post of promises for real reviews that will be coming soon. And they WILL be coming, honest. I just need to get a little more reading in sometime soon.
Sunday, April 19, 2015
Socrates vs. Plato: Smackdown
I need to take some time to come back from this rough stretch in the real world; apologies, and no promises.
But there have been some fabulous books to discuss in this period, and I'm going to start with The Just City, which we'll be talking about at my work book club next week. I posted from the halfway point, but now I'm done and I think this is a good place to gather discussion questions before the meeting.
Some quick review points, though: the sequel/companion books, The Philosopher Kings, comes out in May, and if you haven't read the first one yet, you might want to wait for a few weeks, because I suspect that it's a read-one-after-the-other situation. It's not so much a cliffhanger--well, maybe it's a cliffhanger. It could be a very abstract, nonspecific ending, but I suspect this was one long story in Jo Walton's mighty, magnificent head.
Okay, without further ado, questions for discussion of The Just City, which you must read, preferably with your book club.
1) To what extent is this novel a feminist novel. But wait, let's back that up a bit and ask: 1a) what is a feminist novel? Which is a broad question, but this is a book for long discussions of meaning. And after you answer that, then you can answer the main part of question 1. I have no idea of the answer to 1a. But if you rephrase it: to what extent are the positions and depictions of women in this society the main or driving force of this novel?
I felt like the idea of what a woman's position is or could be in this imagined society was really the most compelling, driving force here, and I think it highlighted the whole point of this book, which was where philosophy meets practicality. Who's going to do the manual labor, and how are we going to deal with childbirth?
Which leads to SO MANY OTHER questions, like 1f) given that none of the masters has ever had a baby (male or female), how is it that men can't help with the child rearing stuff, or 1m) to what extent are the Just City's limitations around women caused by the fact that the majority of people come from ancient history, especially the men? Or 1s) rape and its many aspects: did it freak you out that Maia had to face Ikarus over and over again? Or that Socrates was his friend? What does it mean to be friends with a rapist? With one who doesn't realize what he did was rape? Even after being told?
I could go on forever. Maybe these should be separate questions, but then you get back to 1) to what extent are these questions the main problem of the novel? Or maybe, is this--the situation of women here--a lens for looking at all kinds of privilege and entrenched prejudices?
I'm not sure about this; the masters are almost all white, for clearly explained reasons, but of course the children are all treated as equal, apparently. It seems oversimplifying to say that this is about women and how they are treated, but really way too broad to say that it's about oppression in general.
I can already see that my question numbering system is shot to hell. Anyway.
2) The main theme of the book is very much about the transformation of the general to the specific. Theories are turned into principles, which become plans and then actions. Where along this chain do most things fall apart? Is this something you see in the rest of the world, too? How does this relate to the trouble people have in seeing why someone different from them might need the world to be constructed in another way?
3) What do you think about the depiction of gods as characters here? How do gods' motivations and considerations compare to mortals', and how are they scaled down appropriately. Compare it to other books in which gods are characters (I'm thinking of NK Jemisin's Inheritance trilogy, but if you have others in mind, please mention them in the comments, because this in particular fascinates me). How do gods understand mortals? How do/can they care about them, and how do they manage their relationships with them?
4) Philos, eros, agape. How useful is this construction of love? What's so wrong with eros? What did Plato have against eros? I might need some actual Plato reading to catch me up here.
5) Tangentially related, how do you think the author managed the fact that all these people are basically living and arguing about Plato's ideals without actually managing to answer many of the questions that come up? It seems only natural to me that answers would never be satisfactory, but it feels like Plato lays out all these answers that just lead to more questions, but no one in the story tries to lock down further answers, as though Plato was the only one who had the authority to declare things firmly True and Right. Does that seem natural? Don't you wish someone had answered some of these questions?
6) Also, don't you now want to have a Socratic dialogue? Have one with me! I'm available for arguments and discussions.
There's so much more--slavery, Kebes, robot sentience, Athene's temper, cliffhanging, babies! Damn this is the most readably meaty book--or meatily readable--that I've encountered in a while. I preordered the sequel, which I NEVER do. Can't wait for book club!
But there have been some fabulous books to discuss in this period, and I'm going to start with The Just City, which we'll be talking about at my work book club next week. I posted from the halfway point, but now I'm done and I think this is a good place to gather discussion questions before the meeting.
Some quick review points, though: the sequel/companion books, The Philosopher Kings, comes out in May, and if you haven't read the first one yet, you might want to wait for a few weeks, because I suspect that it's a read-one-after-the-other situation. It's not so much a cliffhanger--well, maybe it's a cliffhanger. It could be a very abstract, nonspecific ending, but I suspect this was one long story in Jo Walton's mighty, magnificent head.
Okay, without further ado, questions for discussion of The Just City, which you must read, preferably with your book club.
1) To what extent is this novel a feminist novel. But wait, let's back that up a bit and ask: 1a) what is a feminist novel? Which is a broad question, but this is a book for long discussions of meaning. And after you answer that, then you can answer the main part of question 1. I have no idea of the answer to 1a. But if you rephrase it: to what extent are the positions and depictions of women in this society the main or driving force of this novel?
I felt like the idea of what a woman's position is or could be in this imagined society was really the most compelling, driving force here, and I think it highlighted the whole point of this book, which was where philosophy meets practicality. Who's going to do the manual labor, and how are we going to deal with childbirth?
Which leads to SO MANY OTHER questions, like 1f) given that none of the masters has ever had a baby (male or female), how is it that men can't help with the child rearing stuff, or 1m) to what extent are the Just City's limitations around women caused by the fact that the majority of people come from ancient history, especially the men? Or 1s) rape and its many aspects: did it freak you out that Maia had to face Ikarus over and over again? Or that Socrates was his friend? What does it mean to be friends with a rapist? With one who doesn't realize what he did was rape? Even after being told?
I could go on forever. Maybe these should be separate questions, but then you get back to 1) to what extent are these questions the main problem of the novel? Or maybe, is this--the situation of women here--a lens for looking at all kinds of privilege and entrenched prejudices?
I'm not sure about this; the masters are almost all white, for clearly explained reasons, but of course the children are all treated as equal, apparently. It seems oversimplifying to say that this is about women and how they are treated, but really way too broad to say that it's about oppression in general.
I can already see that my question numbering system is shot to hell. Anyway.
2) The main theme of the book is very much about the transformation of the general to the specific. Theories are turned into principles, which become plans and then actions. Where along this chain do most things fall apart? Is this something you see in the rest of the world, too? How does this relate to the trouble people have in seeing why someone different from them might need the world to be constructed in another way?
3) What do you think about the depiction of gods as characters here? How do gods' motivations and considerations compare to mortals', and how are they scaled down appropriately. Compare it to other books in which gods are characters (I'm thinking of NK Jemisin's Inheritance trilogy, but if you have others in mind, please mention them in the comments, because this in particular fascinates me). How do gods understand mortals? How do/can they care about them, and how do they manage their relationships with them?
4) Philos, eros, agape. How useful is this construction of love? What's so wrong with eros? What did Plato have against eros? I might need some actual Plato reading to catch me up here.
5) Tangentially related, how do you think the author managed the fact that all these people are basically living and arguing about Plato's ideals without actually managing to answer many of the questions that come up? It seems only natural to me that answers would never be satisfactory, but it feels like Plato lays out all these answers that just lead to more questions, but no one in the story tries to lock down further answers, as though Plato was the only one who had the authority to declare things firmly True and Right. Does that seem natural? Don't you wish someone had answered some of these questions?
6) Also, don't you now want to have a Socratic dialogue? Have one with me! I'm available for arguments and discussions.
There's so much more--slavery, Kebes, robot sentience, Athene's temper, cliffhanging, babies! Damn this is the most readably meaty book--or meatily readable--that I've encountered in a while. I preordered the sequel, which I NEVER do. Can't wait for book club!
Wednesday, April 08, 2015
In Real Life
In my life, anyway, everyone has strep. My house is full of strep. Adam explained to me that the nurse told him that every surface at school, including the table where he eats lunch, is just covered with strep. Good times.
I need to read more comics; I can plow through those faster and get more finished. Memo to self.
Also, I'm having another big coincidence in my reads--two books that start out being about something else but end up being basically about losing control of your body, being trapped in it with no volition. Freaky stuff.
More when we make it out of Strepland.
I need to read more comics; I can plow through those faster and get more finished. Memo to self.
Also, I'm having another big coincidence in my reads--two books that start out being about something else but end up being basically about losing control of your body, being trapped in it with no volition. Freaky stuff.
More when we make it out of Strepland.
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